Update: Spreepiraten - Merry Christmas!

 

I recently found the full series. The twin teen girls also in jeans and red shirts and sailor collars. I previously had a pic of them in white sailor dresses and caps. Also men in overalls.

Also new pics on my overalls blog, now rating 5 instead of 3.

Main entry, rating 3

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/spreepiraten.html

I found another interesting 1980s series "Kreisbrandmeister Felix Martin" with teen boys in Soccer shorts. More infos on my other blog. Also very good Goosebumps ep Stay Out of the Basement. Boy in jeans rating 10. Found for my School TV blog.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Update 2: Cuore (1984)

 

An announced, one more pic of this great series, rating 10. Pic is from episode 6.

There are so many different and great sailor suits and collars. I have chosen this one, nice side view, probably it's the same as pic 2 in the main entry with the rear view.

Main entry

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/cuore-1984.html

Manaslu - Berg der Seelen

Biography  Hans Kammerlander
–Year: 2018
–Year in film: 1964- (1996)
–Country: Austria
–Who in clothing: Hans aged 8, Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2: others ?
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low- ?
–Rating:  4/10 ?
–Rating: ****
–Comment: I think at least Italian born Leo Seppi ~13 yo as 8 yo Hans in short, grey Lederhosen.

I found this by coincidence during search for a movie with overalls. Pic from the trailer. I haven't seen the full movie, yet.

I don't assume many scenes of interest, as the main plot is about the older Hans, mountaineer, record in 1996. He was 8yo in 1964. Actor is much older.

Needs to be rechecked later. Handsome boy (Die Pfefferkörner und der Fluch des schwarzen Königs, Burg Schreckenstein 2). Rating ~3-4 for now. But could be much higher.

Cuore (2001)

 

Drama series. Novel Edmondo De Amicis, 6 ep
–Year: 2001
–Year in film: 1893
–Country: Italy
–Who in clothing: boys ~8-12, sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2: men, sailors, boys, hist. clothes
–Available on DVD: yes ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low-
–Rating:  3/10?
–Rating: ***
–Comment: Some few boys in sailor suits, mainly sailor collars on jackets. Pictured a boy from episode 1. Also very briefly shown sitting rear view on the far left. Unpictured a younger boy with a white collar at least at the intros. And one boy with a small, white lace collar (ep 1). Sailor men (dark blue suits and caps) in episode 3.

Much better and much more different sailor suits has the 1984 TV series, rating 10. More pics and another version soon.

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/cuore-1984.html

Klein gegen Groß - Das unglaubliche Duell

Game show. Host Kai Pflaume
-Year: 2011-
-Year in film: 2021
-Country: Germany
-Who in clothing: Vincent 12, Lederhosen
-Who in clothing 2: Vincent 12, jammers
-Available on DVD: no ?
-I own: no
-Clothing occurrence: low+
-Rating:  4/10
-Rating: ****
-Comment: 12 yo Bavarian Vincent in light brown Lederhosen in yesterday's ep 45. I didn't even noticed this until he had to undress them and later shown them on a hook. Then swimming in light blue jammers. Against Florian Wellbrock.

Handsome blond boy. But rather few good scenes. Sorry, no pics.

Also earlier shows on my overalls blog.

Schloss Einstein - ep 115

A young man or older teen boy in  Lederhosen. As he has a tattoe at his arm, he must be 18 or older (if the tattoe is real). Also not worn Lederhosen shown (for teen boy Buddhi) but he refused to wear them.

I'm currently checking all the early episodes, up to season ~6, episodes up to ~500-600.

Much better are Otto and others, rating up to 8

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/schloss-einstein.html

100 års barndom

 

Documentary series, history
-Year: 1997
-Year in film: 1900s-1930s
-Country: Denmark
-Who in clothing: boys, girls sailor suits
-Who in clothing 2: teens, other clothes
-Available on DVD: no ?
-I own: no
-Clothing occurrence: medium-
-Rating:  5/10 ?
-Rating: *****
-Comment: Several boys in white and dark blue or black sailor suits. Also at least older girls (teens). Also scenes at school (1920-1930, wide collars). Some collars are short, others large and very long. Also lace collars and straw hats.

Pics 1+3 from ep 1910-1920, pic 2 from 1920-1930 (handsome boys, some in short pants). But rather few good scenes. Later episodes are in color but probably not showing sailor suits. Maybe Lederhosen?  Available on dr.dk.

 

Abschied (1968)

DEFA drama
-Year: 1968
-Year in film: 1914
-Country: East Germany
-Who in clothing: boy, sailor suit
-Who in clothing 2:
-Available on DVD: yes
-I own: no
-Clothing occurrence: low+ ?
-Rating:  4/10 ?
-Rating: ****
-Comment: At least one boy, probably more in dark (blue) sailor suit and matching dickey, 3 stripes. I think rather short collar flap.

English title: Farewell. Novel by Johannes R. Becher.

I haven't seen the movie, yet. But I assume rather few scenes of the kids (at school). But might be interesting. Directed by Egon Günther ("Blauvogel", "Heimatmuseum", Die Leiden des jungen Werthers").

Rating ~3-4 for now.

The Last Czars

 

Romanov TV series, 6 ep
-Year: 2019
-Year in film: 1910s
-Country: USA
-Who in clothing: Alexei ~5-14, sailor suit
-Who in clothing 2: uniforms
-Available on DVD: yes
-I own: no
-Clothing occurrence: low ?
-Rating:  4/10 ?
-Rating: ****
-Comment: At least 2 actors as Alexei/Tsarevich a young boy, I think Oliver John Lock in a medium blue sailor suit with a white collar and the older boy/teen played by Oskar Mowdy in a white sailor suit and dark blue collar. Also in other clothes.

I haven't seen the complete series, but I assumed rather few sailor suit scenes.

I also found 2 other Rasputin/Alexei movies for my list, checked the full movies, but no real sailor suit scenes there:

Anastasia: Once Upon a Time

Tsarevich Aleksey (1996) Russian title: Царевич Алексей

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/list-20-alexei-tsarevich-and-rasputin.html

Ta delfinakia tou Amvrakikou

Drama
–Year: 1993
–Year in film: 1930s
–Country: Greece
–Who in clothing: Petros ~8, sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2: Petros shortalls
–Available on DVD: no ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low+ *
–Rating:  3/10 
–Rating: ***
–Comment: Stavros Dogiakos in a medium length white sailor suit and matching cap. Typical, dark blue collar, 3 stripes, not that long. Few scenes in about the middle of the movie.

Also in shortalls (see my other blog, rating 3, much more scenes in those).

English title: The Little Dolphins, Greek title: Τα Δελφινάκια του Αμβρακικού. Novel and directed by Dinos Dimopoulos.

Ein Stück Tirol im Urwald - Die vergessene Heimat

Some, mainly older boys from Peru in long, brown Lederhosen with H-style suspenders. Including dancing scenes but I haven't seen Schuhplattler.

This documentary has been aired yesterday on bibel.tv. I only have seen some few parts and didn't make pics. Boys are not that handsome. 

Rating ~2-3 for now only.

Frühling: Familie auf Probe

 

Family TV movie series 2011-  s1e19
–Year: 2019
–Year in film: 2010s ?
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boy ~7 ? Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low+ ?
–Rating:  3/10 ?
–Rating: ***
–Comment: At least one young boy in longer Lederhosen with H-style suspenders.

Has been aired yesterday, but I only have seen the beginning (as pictured). 

Starring Simone Thomalla. I bet that there are more actors in Lederhosen (on other episodes). 

Rating 3 for now.

Víctimas del pecado

 

Drama
–Year: 1951
–Year in film: 1950s ?
–Country: Mexico
–Who in clothing: Juanito ~10, sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low+
–Rating:  3/10 
–Rating: ***
–Comment: One boy, I think Ismael Pérez in a dark, long sailor suit and matching collar with crossed 3 striped. 

English title: Victims of Sin, aka Hell's Kitchen. I think 2 rather brief scenes. Pics from the end, then open collar/dickey. I also found a publicity pic with a white sailor's cap.

Handsome boy actor, unusual sailor collar, but I don't like it that much. Few scenes, so rating ~3-4 only.

 

Sucker Punch

Action film/fantasy
–Year: 2011
–Year in film: 1960s
–Country: Canada, USA
–Who in clothing: women, sailor dresses
–Who in clothing 2: uniforms
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: medium ?
–Rating:  3/10 
–Rating: ***
–Comment: Some young ladies and maybe older teen girls including Emily Browning as Babydoll in short, light blue and dark blue even shorter sailor dresses with white collars, 2 stripes. Set at an asylum.

Monday on TV. I don't know this movie, yet. Pic from the trailer.

Also starring Jena Malone.

I don't like action movies. Rating ~2-3 for now.

Info: New blog (school TV)

As I had issues with my school TV wiki, I am moving it here to Blogger.

It's about TV series and movies for learning English at schools (ELT).

https://schulfernsehenenglischhistory.blogspot.com/

Toña machetes

Drama, Western
–Year: 1985
–Year in film: 1890s ?
–Country: Mexico
–Who in clothing: boy ~6 ? sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2: western clothes
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low+ ?
–Rating:  3/10 
–Rating: ***
–Comment: One young boy, I think Cesar Adrian Sanches in a white sailor suit, 3 blue stripes and a matching hat. Also in other clothes and bathing outside.

Young boy, rather few good scenes. Novel by Margarita Lopez Portillo. Directed by Raul Araiza.

Rating 3 only.

Who's Afraid of the Big Black Wolf? (2012)

 Short film, 25 min
–Year: 2012
–Year in film: 1944
–Country: Slovenia
–Who in clothing: Anze ~9 ?, Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: medium+ ?
–Rating:  4/10 
–Rating: ****
–Comment: Tilen Lapajne in longer Lederhosen with H-style suspenders. Also sitting and sometimes with a pointed hat. Sitting scenes are probably good. Some pics on IMDb.

I haven't seen the movie, yet. Handsome boy. Movie in b&w. Rating 4 for now.

Slovenian title: Kdo se boji črnega moža?

Unknown 30 = Wer früher stirbt, ist länger tot

 

I found the title: (I recognized Markus Krojer (unpictured) on other pics.)

I have seen the movie long time ago and didn't remember Lederhosen scenes. I think there might be other boys in Lederhosen (at least in shorts).

Needs to be rechecked later completely, but I assume few (good) scenes. Some good scenes of Markus Krojer in jeans.

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2021/05/unknown-30-unknown-film-lederhosen.html

Unknown 30: Unknown film Lederhosen

 

I found this pic of an unknown movie or less likely series. Looks like an US film.

Nice Lederhosen, probably smooth finished leather or nappa. Hands in pockets.

Title might begin with a "P".

Rating 6-7 for now.

Update: I had a comment asking about the title. But that is the question.

Because of the widescreen (even flatter than pictured), I think this must be a feature film and not a series. And I now think that this is a German, modern film. 

Update 2: I found the title: Wer früher stirbt, ist länger tot. See next post

TanzAlarm

Dancing kids series
–Year: 2004
–Year in film: ~2020
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: teen girls, sailor costumes
–Who in clothing 2: kids, grown-ups costumes
–Available on DVD: no ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low *
–Rating:  2/10 
–Rating: **
–Comment: At least some teen girls and grown-ups in sailor costumes with big ,white sailor collars and sailor hats. Also younger kids at least in sailor style clothes, at least hats. Pic from "Der Wellermann Tanz von Volker Rosin"

Also teen girls and men in bib overalls on my other blog (spin-off TanzAlarm Club).

Das Glaszimmer

 

Drama
–Year: 2020
–Year in film: 1945
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: Felix ~13 Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2: boy,men uniforms, shorts, hist clothes
–Available on DVD: yes ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: medium ?
–Rating:  6/10 ?
–Rating: ******
–Comment: At least red haired Xari Wimbauer as 11 yo Felix in grey buckskin Lederhosen with suspenders (not H-style). Also in shorts. And of course German uniforms (at least a teen boy (Luis Vorbach, 14 yo ?) and men).

By coincidence, I found this movie. But I haven't seen it, yet.

Needs to be rechecked the next TV broadcasting.

Rating ~6 for now.

Unknown 29: Unknown series (or movie) - Ohnsorg? 16mm

By coincidence, searching for the 16mm movies on YouTube (uploader had been deleted less than 1 week ago), I found this pic on the Google cache. The associated title was an 2008 (color) episode of Ohnsorg Theater (what is definitely wrong). There are b&w episodes of this stage play TV series, but even those are available in better quality and it is probably something different. Blonde boy in Lederhosen.

Looks somehow like a commercial. 1950s, (1960s) or earlier. Maybe due to the same (?) playlist, it could be a similar theatre series, but I doubt that the playlist is even right. I did a lot of research, tried an image by image search, checked the HTML source code, checked the web for other clips of that uploader but without success. So could be anything. Not neccessarily a German series or movie. Maybe I even already have an entry. I hope that the uploader continues. He uploaded some episodes/movies about Vienna Boys Choir, children series and educational series. Some few US movies. Mainly 70s/80s. Also see some previous posts.

If anybody knows this title or can give hints about an actor, please comment.  

I'm still searching for my other unknown movies (tagged unknown).

Another episode (teen boy, sailor suit, currently no pic, also see my other blog)

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2016/06/vater-philipp-ohnsorg-theater.html

Update: Susanne und der Zauberring

I have rechecked this nice movie (rating 8) so some better and larger pics. My favourite Lederhosen is this boy with the smooth finished Lederhosen sitting in the class (some scenes like at 20 minutes). Another scene with him walking outside at 56 minutes (pic 2 on far left).

Some few other boys, also with H-style suspenders. And girls and boys in short shorts and/or Lederhosen.

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/info-35-updates.html

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/susanne-und-der-zauberring.html

Happy Easter!

 

Happy Easter to all my readers!

Some selected pics from this blog. Movie titles are in the pics.

Bianka Braselli - dáma s dvema hlavami

 TV drama
–Year: 1986
–Year in film: 1920s
–Country: CZ
–Who in clothing: boy ~11 sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2: woman sailor dress
–Available on DVD: no ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: medium-
–Rating:  5/10
–Rating: *****
–Comment: One chubby boy in a short, medium blue sailor suit and big, white collar with 2 stripes. Sometimes with a blue hat. Also a fighting scene and sitting. And one or more ladies, one with a regular medium blue collar, 3 white stripes. Straw hat.

1961 short story by Jan Weiss. Original title: Bianka Braselli, dáma se dvěma hlavami.

Interesting. Rating ~5-6. 

Iskam Amerika

 

Drama
–Year: 1991
–Year in film: 1930s ?
–Country: Bulgaria
–Who in clothing: boy ~9 sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2: others hist. clothes
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: medium-
–Rating:  6/10 ?
–Rating: ******
–Comment: At least one boy in a short, white sailor suit with blue shorts and large collar. 3 White stripes, white dickey and cap.

Also other scenes of interest. Very good plot. Several sailor suit scenes, other kids at least in sailor style clothes. Rating ~6 for the clothes, rating ~7-8 for the movie. But I only have checked it briefly. Most scenes are flashback scenes.

English title: I Want America. Original title: Искам Америка.

 

Info 307: Webfinds Lederhosen Schuhplattler

On the facebook page Schuhplattlerkinder (Schuhplattler Kids) there are some very good pics and a vid of "Kinderschuhplattlergruppe Oberbairing". Lederhosen are light brown and at least some are probably smooth finished or with much patina. Quite short and H-style suspenders. Handsome boys.

Upload date (pic) Dec 11, 2020. I don't want direct links.

Unser Rhein (on TV)

 

Documentary, 2 parts
–Year: 2019
–Year in film: 1940s, 1955 ?
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boys ~9- 11, Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: no ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low+ ?
–Rating:  7/10 ?
–Rating: *******
–Comment: Has just been aired. Part 2/2 Schätze der Romantik. Some boys in smooth finish Lederhosen.

Still available as Live stream (rewind to ~16.49h), rebroadcasting March 14, 16, 19. on German phoenix

Earlier also sitting. Original title: "Children of the Rhineland" obviously filmed in the 1940s. Original footage also on YouTube , 11 minutes. I have to check part 1. Also aired in 4 parts a 45 minutes (2019) or 2 parts a 90 minutes. Phoenix says 2x45 minutes 2020. Also on YouTube in long version called "Unser Rhein - Im Bann des Stroms" including these scenes at ~1h00, sitting at 58 minutes. Mainly shown the 4 boys, 3 in dark Lederhosen. Also briefly a teen boy sitting.

Probably this was also in color or colorized. Enfants d'Allemagne - Children of Germany - In the Rhineland (1955). By Encyclopaedia Britannia Film. Producer Milan Herzog. 

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2023/12/children-of-germany-in-rhineland.html

Karl wird kuriert

 Educational film, 22 min
–Year: 1951
–Year in film: 1950s
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boys ~6, 11, Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: no ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low ?
–Rating:  4/10 ?
–Rating: ****
–Comment: At least 3 boys in Lederhosen with H-style suspenders. One older boy, also sitting scenes including 1 suspender down. Lederhosen might be smooth finish at least some patina. At least 2 younger boys barefooted.

Another rare 16 mm film on YouTube. I think from FWU.

Interesting, but rather few good scenes.

Rating ~4.

 

Alltagsgeschichten (1972)

 

Family film
–Year: 1972
–Year in film: 1970s
–Country: East Germany
–Who in clothing: boys, Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: no ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low ?
–Rating:  3/10 ?
–Rating: ***
–Comment: At least these 2 young boys (probably twins) in short Lederhosen with H-style suspenders. Probably some more supporting actors?

I don't know/don't remember this movie.

Rating ~3 for now.

Gouttes d'eau sur pierres brûlantes

 Comedy film
–Year: 2000
–Year in film: 1970s
–Country: France
–Who in clothing: Franz ~24, Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low ?
–Rating:  2/10 ?
–Rating: **
–Comment: I think ~24 yo Malik Zidi as 19 yo Franz in short Lederhosen with H-style suspenders, also sitting.

I don't know the complete movie. Gay plot. But rating ~2-3 due to his age.

English title: Water Drops on Burning Rocks. Based on a play by Fassbender. Directed by Francois Ozon

Die Pfefferkörner

 

Kids detective series, 16+seasons
-Year: 1999-
-Year in film: ~2020
-Country: Germany
-Who in clothing: teen boy, sailor suit
-Who in clothing 2:

-Available on DVD: yes
-I own: no
-Clothing occurrence: very low
-Rating:  3/10     
-Rating: ***
-Comment: At least one older teen boy in new episode 200 in a sailor suit, regular dark blue collar. Probably long pants.

Also several girls and women in bib overalls, other blog rating 5.

Update 2: Bettkantengeschichten

Episode 47 "Im Versteck" is currently on YouTube. Unfortunately in not perfect image quality (as pictured) as it's from a 16mm transfer. But at least complete episode. One of the best episode of this series. I think still not on DVD. Smooth finished Lederhosen.

Main entry, rating 8

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/bettkantengeschichten.html

The Old Wallop

 

Classic comedy short film (Little Rascals)
-Year: 1927
-Year in film: 1920s
-Country: USA
-Who in clothing: Jay ~11, sailor suit
-Who in clothing 2:

-Available on DVD: yes
-I own: no
-Clothing occurrence: low+ ?
-Rating:  3/10     
-Rating: ***
-Comment: Jay R. Smith in a sailor suit. Green or maybe blue.

Also in several other films. I have one other film with him

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2020/07/dog-heaven-1927-our-gang.html

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2016/10/update-our-gang.html

Polizeifunk ruft - s3e13

A boy, I think in smooth finished Lederhosen at 14.46h, so at ~16 minutes. Previously 2 boys in medium brown buckskin Lederhosen or shorts and before that a blond boy in light blue shorts at 14.35 (both at ~5 minutes). Set in Hamburg.

Like last week still available on the German mediathek channel ardmediathek subchannel one (rewind).

Currently running many episodes of season 4.

Main entry, rating 6

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2021/01/polizeifunk-ruft-now-on-tv.html

Mit Musik durchs Leben

 Movie, Vienna Boys Choir
–Year: 1936
–Year in film: ~1936
–Country: Austria
–Who in clothing: boys sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: no ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: medium ?
–Rating:  4/10 ?
–Rating: ****
–Comment: As announced there are some new rare 16mm movies on YouTube including also other documentaries in color about The Vienna Boys Choir next to some episodes of 70s/80s TV series.

I only have checked this briefly. I think no Lederhosen.

Rating ~4. I also have several other entries about The Wiener Sängerknaben (blog search).

Polizeifunk ruft (now on TV)

Crime series
–Year: 1966-1970
–Year in film: 1968
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boys ~5-12 Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low ?
–Rating:  6/10
–Rating: ******
–Comment: Boys in Lederhosen. Older boy cycling in short Lederhosen in s3e10. Can currently still be accessed. Channel One, mediathek Live, rewind at 17.12 h. Pics at an instant. More infos soon. Pics 1+3 from s3e10, pic 2 from s3e4 boy in grey shirt, unsure if Lederhosen or sport shorts but I think Lederhosen, distance only. 

Unpicured a very young boy in Lederhosen with H-style suspenders in s3e3. I don't know all episodes. But probably there are more boys. Season 1 in b&w. Some Lederhosen might be smooth finished.

Rating 5-6 for now. Rather few and brief scenes. More boys I think including smooth finished leather in s3e13

https://sailorsuitsandlederhosenfilmblog.blogspot.com/2021/01/polizeifunk-ruft-s3e13.html

Jim Knopf und Lukas der Lokomotivführer (2018)

 Family film
–Year: 2018
–Year in film: 2010s ?
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boy Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2: boy, men overalls
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low-
–Rating:  3/10
–Rating: ***
–Comment: One young boy in longer buckskin Lederhosen and Tyrolean hat.

Few scenes at the end. No or no notable full views except from a distance. 

Jim Knopf in overalls are also few scenes at the end (other blog rating (2)-3), also in underwear but briefly as well. Movie is also weak. There are also stage plays and of course the famous marionette plays. For more infos see my other blog.

For Lederhosen rating 2-3 only.