This is my 2nd blog about feature films, TV series and documentaries with boys, girls, men and women in sailor suits, Lederhosen and other historical clothing of the 19th century and beyond. I collect informations, trailer videos, low-res images and personal comments/ratings. This blog was introduced in 2011. 2012-2020 on Wordpress. Now I'm back. Update will take a while.
December 30, 2017
Update: Die Feuerzangenbowle (1944)
Has been aired recently but this time, I have only watched the beginning and later checked it and found one more scene of boys in sailor suits and also a lady.
Pic 1 at 44 minutes, pic 2 at 11 minutes, pic 3 at 1h18. But all scenes are rather short and from a distance. I don't like this movie. Most students are very old. New tag: hats.
Main entry, rating 3 at
/2011/10/03/die-feuerzangenbowle-1944/
December 29, 2017
Info: On TV: Nesthäkchen
Soon on ZDF Neo. Sailor suit and Lederhosen (both boys and girls)
Currently also running Bei der blonden Kathrein (probably no Lederhosen).
Then: Schwarzwaldklinik. Also nice: Ich heirate eine Familie
/2011/08/11/nesthakchen/
/2017/12/03/die-schwarzwaldklinik/
/2013/04/18/ich-heirate-eine-familie/
December 26, 2017
Update: Emil und die Detektive (1954)
Has just been aired and I've seen it almost completely. Many boys in Lederhosen including H-style suspenders and smooth finished leather (also cycling and skating) but mainly from a distance and in the last 15 minutes. Fewer scenes of around 3 boys only in the major parts of the movie. Also men and a brief spanking scene and nice rear views.
More infos and new pics in the main entry, still rating 5, maybe 6.
Rather few good scenes and those from a distance. I prefer Heimatfilms. Interesting scenes of 1950s Berlin. The plot is somehow a bit weak, although from Erich Kästner.
Needs to be rechecked more carefully at slow speed.
/2011/08/22/emil-und-die-detektive-1954/
Zauberhafte Weihnacht im Land der "Stillen Nacht"
Christmas show
–Year: 2017
–Year in film: 2017
–Country: Austria
–Who in clothing: boys ~9-11, Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: no ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low ?
–Rating: 4/10
–Rating: ****
–Comment: The few boys in this mixed choir in medium brown, long, buckskin Lederhosen, also sitting.
Again, A Merry Christmas! This show has been rebroadcasted yesterday on WDR. I have only seen some few parts at the end. Filmed in Salzburg or Saulzburg region, the location of the famous Christmas song Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht. (Silent Night, Holy Night).
Not sure about the name of the choir, maybe der Kinderchor der Gumpoldskirchner Spatzen. Hosts Sonja Weissensteiner and Harald Krassnitzer.
Rating at least 4-5. Needs to be rechecked. I didn't expect Lederhosen this year at Christmas, as I can't receive Bavarian channel BR anymore.
December 23, 2017
December 21, 2017
Kästner und der kleine Dienstag (on TV)
TV drama/ biography Erich Kästner
–Year: 2016
–Year in film: 1931
–Country: Germany, Austria
–Who in clothing: boy ~11 , sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2: hist. clothes, uniforms, Lederhosen
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: very low *
–Rating: 3/10
–Rating: ***
–Comment: This evening on TV.
At least one boy in a long, dark blue sailor suit. Also historical clothes and 1930s uniforms.
Sorry for the late info. I can't say much more yet. More infos later.
/2011/08/22/emil-und-die-detektive-1931/
Update: Completely seen (at regular speed). Unfortunately only this, very brief scene of a sailor suit. The 2nd half is set in~1939 with different actors. At the end a man in longer Lederhosen. Also rather few and brief scenes of 30s uniforms.
Interesting plot and facts, I didn't knew. Some handsome boys. Also soon on my pigtails blog.
Previously rated 5, now for the very brief scene rating 2-3. Movie itself rating ~5-6.
December 17, 2017
Info 265: At Christmas on TV
Some good movies concerning this blog on German TV. Most notably: The Sound of Music (1965), pictured, new pics and Die Trapp-Famile (both parts). Both a must-have for both Lederhosen and sailor suits. Also the 4 Immenhof movies. Probably also some choirs in Sailor suit and/or Lederhosen. Incomplete list:
22.12.
Little Lord Fauntleroy (1980) + 26.12., sailor suit rating 8
24.12.
Emil i Lönneberga (part 1, I only have part 3) sailor suits ? Hist. clothes
Sissi (1955) Lederhosen rating 5
The Sound of Music (1965) rating 8
Die Feuerzangenbowle (1944) sailor suit, rating 3
25.12.
Die Trapp-Familie (Lerhosen, sailor suits, rating 10)
26.12.
Kindheit auf dem Land - (auf dem Lande ?) Lederhosen rating 5
Emil und die Detektive (1954) Lederhosen rating 5
Die Trapp-Familie in Amerika - Lederhosen rating 5
Little Lord Fauntleroy (1980)
29.12.
Das Sacher. In bester Gesellschaft (Sailor dress, boys hist. clothes, rating 3)
30.12
Der Räuber Hotzenplotz (2006) Lederhosen rating 4+
31.12.
Die Mädels vom Immenhof - Lederhosen, others, rating 9
Hochzeit auf Immenhof - Lederhosen rating 3
01.01.
Ferien auf Immenhof - Lederhosen rating 5
December 15, 2017
Update 2: Heidemelodie
During research for pics for my other blogs, I found some larger pics of this very good and rare movie (rating 10, TOP#1, smooth finished Lederhosen).
Pic 2 is new and showing another boy on the left at school. Maybe it's then same boy pictured in pic 1 (blonde, same shirt). The redhaired boy on the right is also shown at the doctor (pic in the main entry).
Unfortunately still not on DVD. I have to recheck if I have a TV recording. But if so, then most likely not completely.
Main entry
/2011/08/26/heidemelodie/
December 14, 2017
Update: Abenteuer 1900 – Leben im Gutshaus
I have uploaded these 2 other and larger pics of this series also showing the collar flaps which are not very long but at regular length.
And next to the white and dark blue blouse, there are also medium blue ones.
Main entry, rating 5
/2011/08/18/abenteuer-1900-leben-im-gutshaus/
In the TV guide there was announced Meine Kindheit... auf dem Schloss (previously called Meine Kindheit... im Schloss), but it is canceld. Lederhosen rating 7.
December 11, 2017
Die große Show der Weihnachtslieder - Musical: Vom Geist der Weihnacht
Christmas show. Host Stefanie Hertel
–Year: 2017
–Year in film: 2017
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boys, historical clothes
–Who in clothing 2: girl, adults
–Available on DVD: no
–I own: yes, partly TV recording
–Clothing occurence: low
–Rating: 6/10
–Rating: ******
–Comment: 2 boys in historical clothes (pants with suspenders), 1 blonde, one darkhaired. Also girls, teens and grown-ups. The Musical is a special version of A Christmas Story (Charles Dickens) currently shown in Nordhausen.
The ballet group is the Bundesjugendballett Berlin. But not sure if the young kids are also located there. And not sure if they are playing in Nordhausen. Or part of that theatre (Kinderstatisterie).
The kids also decorating cookies at a table for a long time later (also sitting rear view). Musical scene at around 40 minutes (mediathek). A short clip is also on YouTube.
The blond boy reminds me of another boy actor. Not sure who. Louis Hofmann?
Die Legende von Paul und Paula
Famous DEFA romance
–Year: 1973
–Year in film: 1970s
–Country: East Germany
–Who in clothing: young boys, Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2: hist. clothes, sailor suits
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low ?
–Rating: 3/10 ?
–Rating: ***
–Comment: There are at least some very young boys in Lederhosen with H-style suspenders.
I don't remember the complete movie and have to recheck it later.
Also at least one toddler in bib overalls (other blog, rating 2).
For Lederhosen rating 3-4 assumed.
Probably the most famous East German movie and even more famous it’s music by the Puhdys. Starring Winfried Glatzeder. English title: The Legend of Paul and Paula.
Update: Also historical clothes and sailor collars
/2018/02/19/update-die-legende-von-paul-und-paula/
December 8, 2017
Thursday's Child (1972)
BBC drama series, 6 ep
–Year: 1972-1973
–Year in film: ~1900 ?
–Country: UK
–Who in clothing: Margreth ~16 ?
–Who in clothing 2: others ?
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low ?
–Rating: 3/10 ?
–Rating: ***
–Comment: At least this teen girl (maybe Clare Walker as main character or Gillian Bailey?) in a long, dark blue sailor dress and a light grey collar (long collar flap). Also boys acting in historical clothes including Simon Gipps-Kent (The Tomorrow Peoeple, also check out my bedroom blog). Maybe also some in sailor suits?
I saw a trailer on my recent purchase ("Wish You Well", see my overalls blog), but I don't know/remember this complete series.
Rating 3 for now. Novels by Noel Streatfeild.
December 6, 2017
La tragédie impériale
Rasputin biography by Marcel L'Herbier
–Year: 1938
–Year in film: ~1916
–Country: France
–Who in clothing: Alexei ~10, sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low ?
–Rating: 4/10 ?
–Rating: ****
–Comment: Jean Claudio as Alexei obviously in a sailor suit (I first wasn't sure if he wore one). Pic 1 from a trailer, pic 2 a publicity pic.
One of the last missing Rasputin and Alexei entry. I haven't seen the complete movie. Available on VHS and obviously as DVD or digital vid.
Quite interesting, rating 4-5 for now. Starring Harry Baur as Rasputin.
Jean Claudio also appeared in Les cadets de l'océan as 15 yo but older looking sailor and also in another movie I have.
The recent 2 Rasputin movies are still not released. And the remaining 2 others, I still haven't found.
/2013/02/14/list-20-alexei-tsarevich-and-rasputin-films/
December 3, 2017
Die Schwarzwaldklinik
Drama series. Klausjürgen Wussow
–Year: 1985-1989
–Year in film: 1980s
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boy ~8 ?
–Who in clothing 2: others?
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low ?
–Rating: 6/10 ?
–Rating: ******
–Comment: At least this young, blonde boy in short buckskin Lederhosen with H-style suspenders at the end of ep 2 which has been aired today. Front and rear view while walking. Probably some more boys and men in later episodes?
I wanted to post another Rasputin movie (coming next) but first this airing.
One of the most famous German 80s family series. Also starring grown-up Sascha Hehn. English title: The Black Forest Hospital.
I have to check the later episodes, but obviously few Lederhosen. Most scenes of the grown-ups are boring.
Rating 6 for now.
December 1, 2017
Update: Ein irres Feeling
This movie is very rare and expensive and currently on YouTube called "Late Lounge Heimkino | Ein irres Feeling" unfortunately with 2 people in front of it and sometimes pausing it. Available as single DVD (42 EUR), VHS or on a compilation DVD, even rare. Starring Karl Dall. Pics 1+2 at ~26 minutes. Another scene inside at ~24 min.
Nice boy with dental braces shirtless in smooth finished or nappa leather with suspenders. But few scenes. Also men in shiny shorts. Typical 80s comedy film.
Main entry, rating 7
/2011/08/16/ein-irres-feeling/
Info 263: Spanking scene Rochusschule
Pics are available on archive.org
One spanking scene and one good scene of boys with open collars
https://web.archive.org/web/20160310170603/http://www.rochusschule.de/schulleben/2010_alteschule_3b.htm
I also remember a very good pic of boys, rear view, showing the collar flaps (boys seeing the collars of the boys in the front seats). Not sure if it was this school. pic 3c isn't available.
November 29, 2017
Little Men (1940)
Drama, Kay Francis
–Year: 1940
–Year in film: ~1940 ?
–Country: USA
–Who in clothing: boy ~12 ??
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: very low
–Rating: 3/10
–Rating: ***
–Comment: At least this older, blonde boy in a long sailor suit and cap. Dark blue collar and dickey. Dark, maybe black pants. Not sure about his name.
I think very few and brief scenes.
So rating 3 only. Available als as restored DVD.
Starring 14 yo Sammy McKim (but is darkhaired).
Remake of a 1934 movie. The 1998 remake soon on my bedroom blog.
November 28, 2017
Info: comments
Otherwise I will turn off the comment function.
November 26, 2017
Der Räuber Hotzenplotz (1974)
Family film. Gert Fröbe
–Year: 1974
–Year in film: 1900s ?
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: Seppl ~19 ? Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: medium ?
–Rating: 2/10 ?
–Rating: **
–Comment: At least 18 or 19 yo Gerhard Acktun in longer, black, buckskin Lederhosen. H-style suspenders in smooth finished leather. Green Tyrolean hat.
Quite funny, but the actor is way too old. There's also a 1979 sequel but also with mainly grown-up actors.
Rating 2-3 for now.
I also have uploaded a larger pic of the 2006 remake (boy, rating 4)
/2011/08/15/der-rauber-hotzenplotz-2006/
November 24, 2017
Update: Stadt, Land, Bus
I found the episode of the Lederhosen. It's episode 6. The complete episode showing Lederhosen, but mainly the older teen boys. Also later young and very young boys and also men inside and outside including dancing Schuhplattler.
Has also been aired, but is also available on the mediathek.
I think few good scenes (most from a distance), so still rating 4.
/2017/11/12/stadt-land-bus/
November 22, 2017
Für 'n Groschen Brause
TV drama
–Year: 1983
–Year in film: 1950-(53)
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boys ~10, sailor suits
–Who in clothing 2: boys, shorts
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low +
–Rating: 4/10 ?
–Rating: ****
–Comment: Boys of a Boys Choir (obviously The Thomanerchor as the movie is set in Leipzig) in dark blue sailor suits (looks like older, real footage scenes to me, maybe even 1970s) and also at least 2 boys (actors) in sailor suits, close-up. Very short collar flaps and collars angled at front. Also several boys in shorts. I haven't found any in Lederhosen.
Also soon on my bedroom and pigtails blog.
Nice movie. Some handsome boys. Novel by Dieter Zimmer. Another great movie in the Große Geschichten DVD movie series.
For sailor suits, rating 4-5 for now. Needs to be rechecked at slow speed.
Update: The novel has boys in Lederhosen.
November 16, 2017
Split Infinity
Drama
–Year: 1992
–Year in film: 1929
–Country: USA
–Who in clothing: girls, sailor dresses
–Who in clothing 2: boy, girls overalls
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low +
–Rating: 3/10 ?
–Rating: ***
–Comment: Some girls and teen girls in sailor dresses and similar. Also boys, teen boys and a teen girl in bib overalls and shortalls (other blog, rating 7). Pic 1 at 55 minutes, pic 2 at 38. Other boys in historical clothes but mainly in pants with suspenders or overalls. I don't remember knickers.
Interesting movie with a time travel plot.
Some few interesting scenes but the bib overalls are much better.
Also a spanking scene of an older teen boy at school (in overalls) at the beginning.
So for sailor dresses rating 3 only.
November 12, 2017
Stadt, Land, Bus
Teen travel reality TV. 8 ep
–Year: 2017
–Year in film: 2010s
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boys Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2: men Lederhosen
–Available on DVD: no
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: medium-
–Rating: 4/10 ?
–Rating: ****
–Comment: Some boys and men in Lederhosen. Unknown episode. It's about "typical German".
I think
Rating 4-5 for now. Main characters are older teens (maybe not in Lederhosen). But at least swimwear.
Update: The Lederhosen scenes in ep 6. Complete episode showing Lederhosen, mainly the older teen oys, some young and very young boys later and men. Has also been aired on Kika. And available on the mediathek.
/2017/11/24/update-stadt-land-bus/
November 2, 2017
Rigoletto (1993)
Drama / musical
–Year: 1993
–Year in film: 1930s
–Country: USA
–Who in clothing: girls, sailor dresses
–Who in clothing 2: boys overalls
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low +?
–Rating: 5/10 ?
–Rating: *****
–Comment: Some girls and teen girls (and maybe women) in sailor dresses or similar. Most notable this teen girl, (13 yo Ivey Lloyd) in a white sailor dress with white collar, 2 red stripes and a blue scarf.
Also some boys in bib overalls (other blog rating 6).
I have to recheck this movie at slow speed.
For sailor dresses, rating 5-6 only.
October 29, 2017
L'impure (1991)
Drama in 2 parts Marianne Basler
–Year: 1991
–Year in film: 1931, later
–Country: France, Cuba
–Who in clothing: Daniel ~3, 8 ?
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low +?
–Rating: 4/10 ??
–Rating: ****
–Comment: One toddler (Jeremy Cachon as 3 yo Daniel) in a light blue sailor suit with an open, dark blue sailor collar, also in a light blue long collar.
In part 2 there's a boy, around 8 yo in a dark blue sailor suit with long dark collar and white shorts also sitting on the floor. I think also in a short, light blue suit with a short, round collar flap. White sailor's cap. Not sure about his name.
1946 novel by Guy des Cars. English title: The Marked Woman.
Rather few good scenes, young boys.
So rating 4 only.
Sorry, currently most rating 4 posts missing pics (pics were on Wordpress before migration). I have some of rating 4-5 or rare movies, Heimatfilms or Lederhosen movies.
October 23, 2017
Waldrausch (1962)
Heimatfilm, remake 1, novel Ludwig Ganghofer
–Year: 1962
–Year in film: 1960s ??
–Country: Austria
–Who in clothing: Toni ~6 ys, Lederhosen
–Who in clothing 2: men ?
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: medium- ??
–Rating: 4/10 ??
–Rating: ****
–Comment: Finally another Heimatfilm, I found by coincidence. At least this young boy (probably Peter Toifl) in Lederhosen. Maybe (partly) smooth finished ?
Starring Marianne Hold, Sieghard Rupp and Herbert Fux.
Rating 4-5 for now only. The boy is very young.
I haven't seen the complete movie, yet, so needs to be rechecked for amount and other actors. This is the 2nd movie after 1939 (b&w) which also needs to be checked.
The 2nd remake from 1977 is set in the 1900s (very few scenes, rating 3)
/2012/04/02/waldrausch-1977/
R.I.P. Oliver Grimm
Child actor Oliver Grimm died on Oct. 10 aged 69.
I have 4 movies on this blog, rating up to 5 (he didn't wear Lederhosen in every movie but other boys). Also on my other blog. I have to replace some of the tiny pics.
Movies here
/2016/05/13/wenn-der-vater-mit-dem-sohne-1955/
/2011/10/10/kleiner-mann-ganz-gros-1957/
/2012/02/25/schick-deine-frau-nicht-nach-italien/
/2014/05/01/vater-braucht-eine-frau-1952/
Bib overalls blog:
Griff nach den Sternen (1955) rating 2
Wenn der Vater mit dem Sohne (1955), rating 4
Kleiner Mann - Ganz groß (rating 4)
Mein Vater, der Schauspieler (1956) no entry, yet
October 13, 2017
Sesamstraße (1973)
German Sesame Street
–Year: 1973-
–Year in film: 1970s, 80s
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: boys ~5-6 ?
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: no
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: medium ?
–Rating: 5/10 ?
–Rating: *****
–Comment: Young boys in Lederhosen with and without H-style suspenders, also nappa or smooth finished leather. Also shorts and probably bib overalls and or shortalls.
Finally Lederhosen! During checking some 80s series (mainly Italian ones for my unknown movie), I stumbled by coincidence upon Sesame Street.
Pic 1 is the outro of episode 1 (1973), pic 2 the intro (not sure if these are Lederhosen).
Pic 3 is the intro of ep 848 (80s), not sure if Lederhosen. Pic 4 is the intro of ep 1500 (80s).
Probably much more boys, but not sure if older boys as well. Probably also cycling and more sitting scenes.
As the boys are very young rating 5-6 for now only.
October 8, 2017
Memorias de Leticia Valle
Drama
–Year: 1980
–Year in film: 1912
–Country: Spain
–Who in clothing: Leticia ~15 ? sailor dress
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: VHS only ?
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: medium
–Rating: 3/10 ?
–Rating: ***
–Comment: One older girl, probably Emma Suarez in a long, light blue sailor dress and a dark blue collar (s stripes) and a dark blue scarf. Many scenes, but I think in the first half only.
Novel by Rosa Chacel. Leticia is 11 yo in the 1945 novel.
Nothing special.
Rating 3 only.
October 4, 2017
Valentina (1982)
Drama by Antonio José Betancor
–Year: 1982
–Year in film: 1911
–Country: Spain
–Who in clothing: boy ~10 sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occuerence: low
–Rating: 4/10 ?
–Rating: ****
–Comment: One boy, I think 12 yo Jorge Sanz as 8 yo Pepe(?) in a dark blue sailor suit. One rather short scene. Short collar flap. Also a church boy in a white/red gown, round red collar. Also a spanking scene but not in the sailor suit.
There's also a sequel called "1919, crónica del alba" set 8 years later with a teen girl or young lady in a dark blue dress and a plain white sailor collar.
I'm still searching for my Italian assumed unknown movie and checked almost all Spanish and Portuguese movies of the 80s and 90s with no success.
Alternate title: Valentine. Starring Anthony Quinn.
Few scenes, so rating 4 for this one. Also soon on my bedroom and pigtails blog, rating ~6.
September 29, 2017
Per grazia ricevuta
Comedy film
–Year: 1971
–Year in film: ~1970
–Country: Italy
–Who in clothing: boys, girls ~8-10 sailor suit
–Who in clothing 2:
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurrence: low ?
–Rating: 3/10 ?
–Rating: ***
–Comment: Some girls and boys at a Communion in dark blue and white or similar sailor suits. I think rather few and brief scenes only. But could be worse. Also kids in shorts.
So rating 3-4 for now only. English title: Between Miracles.
I’m still searching for my Italian assumed coming-of-age film (unknown #9) , can someone exclude
- A Idade Maior (1991) ?
September 22, 2017
Celia (1989)
Drama by Ann Turner
–Year: 1989
–Year in film: 1950s
–Country: Australia
–Who in clothing: Celia ~9 sailor dress
–Who in clothing 2: boys, knickers
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low+ ?
–Rating: 6/10 ?
–Rating: ******
–Comment: At least this blonde, pigtailed girl (Rebecca Smart) in a long, light blue sailor dress with a white sailor collar and scarf. 3 medium blue stripes. Other boys and girls in medium blue shirts and mainly grey and beige shorts or knickers, but I think without sailor collar but regular white and light blue collars.
Also a spanking scene of the girl.
Alternate title: Celia: Child of Terror.
Interesting and weird movie. Handsome, blonde kids.
Rating 5-6 for now for the sailor dress. I think rather few sailor dress scenes.
September 18, 2017
Verliebte Ferien in Tirol
Heimatfilm starring Uschi Glas
–Year: 1971
–Year in film: ~1970
–Country: Germany
–Who in clothing: Peterl ~10 ? suspenders
–Who in clothing 2: men Lederhosen
–Available on DVD: yes
–I own: no
–Clothing occurence: low ?
–Rating: 3/10 ?
–Rating: ***
–Comment: One boy, maybe Alfred Litzinger in long, grey cotton pants with H-style leather suspenders and a Tyrolean hat. According to the movie poster also in short Lederhosen. Near the end also young men and maybe teen boys in short Lederhosen dancing Schuhplattler. Also a spanking scene of the boy outside.
I think few good scenes. Typical late musical Heimatfilm. Directed by Harald Reinl, starring Hans-Jürgen Bäumler, Georg Thomalla, Rudolf Prack and Beppo Brem.
So rating 3-4 for now only.